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1 month 2 weeks ago #1917

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Communication from the Gwent League

"Voting on Equal Distances
Although unwell, the chairman has now inspected and ratified the votes cast, and it was a nail biter, with 12 for equal distances, 13 for the status quo, and 1 abstention. Two votes cast after Sunday's deadline were discounted, while votes from clubs which were affiliated to the league at this summers AGM and have subsequently paid overdue affiliation fees were included.

Accordingly, recommended race distances will be unchanged this winter.

We received votes from clubs as below. If you think there is a mistake, please contact Derek Osborne.

Aberdare Matt Jacklin
Avon Valley Richard Newman
Barry and Vale Fred Malkin
Brecon AC Derek Osborne
Bristol Benedict Westhenry
Bristol Uni Mollie Valentine
Builth Jo Rees
Cardiff AAC Mark Gold
Cardiff Uni William Phillips
CDF Runners Stewart Harding
Chepstow Dick Finch
FoD AC Alan Robertson
GWR Kelly Dicks
Les Croups Marcus Meyrick
Liswerry Sarah Lauder
Neath David Davies
Parc Bryn Bach Damian Williams
Pembrokeshire H John Collier
Penarth + Dinas Simon Williamson
Port Talbot John Davies
San Domenico Ronald Morris
Southville Tom Lacey
Swansea Brian Fox
Trots Aled Jones-Davies
Westbury H Neil Miller
White Rock Henry Wright"

I note the comment "unchanged this winter", I do so hope that we get to enjoy a vote on this subject every season because that would never get stale.

1 month 2 weeks ago #1878

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The result of the run off in the club between changing to run 8K and remaining as is

"Hi All

I have just cast our vote regarding the Gwent League proposals for the race distances.

The vote went for the Status Quo.

Club members voted;

Option 2; 14 votes

Status Quo; 16 votes

Cheers
Ron"

One wonders if there is an important lesson about understanding things here.

2 months 9 hours ago #1862

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Update from the Gwent League

"Dear Dominic,

Thank you all clubs who voted in round 1, to determine which option is preferred if a change were to be made.

The most popular option was Option 2 (men and women run in different races, over the same distance of 8km).

Voting is now open for the second and final round, to establish whether this option is preferred to the Status Quo (men and women run in different races, over distances independently determined at the AGM).

There are fuller descriptions of Option 2 and the Status Quo here
www.gwent-league.org.uk/2021/GwentLeague...als-Snr+BoldDist.pdf
but please disregard options 1, 3 and 4, which have now been discounted.

Each club has ONE vote, which must come from a leading committee member on behalf of that club. Clubs may vote to abstain."

2 months 3 days ago #1856

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Some observations in the light of recent events. About two weeks ago there was an online meeting held by the Gwent League for these options and the voting process to be explained and any questions asked.

This meeting was widely publicised for anyone to attend and in total I noted that 23 people attended including Ian McDonald and myself representing San Domenico.

For a subject that apparently creates such strong emotions it was surprising to me that there were not hundreds present.

Additionally if someone was not at the recent meeting or the AGM, how are they sure that they fully understand the entire context? For example, I learned that once upon a time men and women ran the same distance and this was changed to improve the very low female participation rather than the standard assumption (as I had thought) that this was old-fashioned sexism.

The voting system is not as many people seem to think. At this stage the status quo is not an option, a club must vote initially for options 1 to 4 and the majority of the club members who voted cast their vote for option 2 (in fact more voted for option 2 than the others combined by a wide margin). The idea that this is somehow not democratic is quite a baffling one and the implication that the ballot was not conducted in a fair way is to say the least unfortunate especially as this would be trivial to disprove.

Once the outcome of this round of voting is known, then this option is going to be voted on in the same way against the status quo, so at this point nobody has voted to change anything. Is this that difficult to grasp?

The committee keep getting the distinct impression that it is thought by some that the options came from San Domenico, we had no part in their creation.

The committee also keep getting the distinct impression that it is thought (bizarrely) that San Domenico have the sole say on this subject when in fact we have two votes as do every club that competes in the Gwent League.

2 months 4 days ago #1854

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Club members votes as below;

Option 1, 3 votes (10%)

Option 2, 19 votes (63.3%)

Option 3, 7 votes (23.3%)

Option 4, 1 vote (3.3%)

Therefore the club's 2 votes have been cast for the option of everyone running 8km.

2 months 2 weeks ago #1838

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It had been annoying me that I had an idea that there was a word that described things like options 1,3 and 4 and this morning it came to me.

From Wikipedia
"A MacGuffin (sometimes McGuffin) is an object, device, or event that is necessary to the plot and the motivation of the characters, but insignificant, unimportant, or irrelevant in itself."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGuffin

In the "See also" section we have a link to Red Herring.
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